Last week my entire work place came down with H1N1.

Our boss came in sick for a meeting we couldn't cancel.

He missed the rest of the week--3 days of work lost

Within days 3 other coworkers came down with the flu; one ended up in the ER--8 days of work lost (and counting)

Everyone got sick except me.

I was vaccinated against H1N1 the week before.

Looks like the vaccine works.

If so, I would pretend to have caught it as well..

We all have our own projects, so their stuff is just now on hold.

It really is stunning how quickly that virus tore through our ranks though. I don't think I've ever experienced a more infectious virus.

from me. Not even the hubby.

I'm guessing not, but I'm trying to avoid a Type I error.

I was the only one.

That's a very good point, and I'm sorry I forgot to mention it.

I am also an asthmatic so I am extremely grateful to have gotten it.

I think it's gone now, but for a few days, when I took a deep breath there was a weird (but painless) sensation at the bottom of my right lung. Almost felt like liquid moving through the intestine, except that it was pretty consistent.

I am very prone to such lung infections.

I am glad that you improved; that sensation must have been very uncomfortable and scary.

why didn't your co-workers - presumably working in the same medical setting - also get it?

I'm the only one who is a medical student.

The local boards of health are vaccinating all their employees - whether or not they have contact with patients (and it is also being offered to families). The theory is they don't want virus transferred directly (from you) or indirectly from anyone you come into contact with during the work day who might transfer it to you.

They gave them to the people they identified as having the greatest risk of catching and spreading the virus and everyone else now has to wait.

They don't know when they'll be getting more.

It's also not being offered to all families. Pregnant women and caregivers of infants less than 6 mos. old have a higher priority than do others.

Just letting you know what is being done locally. The caregivers are not viewed in isolation - and preventing a caregiver from spreading the virus because s/he carries it in from an ill co-worker (without direct patient contact) or from an ill family member is viewed here as more important to controlling the spread among the at risk populations likely to be visiting doctors than vaccinating the at risk population directly. Given the limited quantity of vaccine available, the theory is that it is better to vaccinate a larger portion of the most likely sources of contamination than a smaller portion of those at most risk.

I'm just surprised that they didn't at least vaccinating the people you come in contact with on the job (and might transfer the virus from).

I live in NYC... And, it's spread very rapidly amongst my friends.

Your "boss" is really irresponsible, and I hope you co-worker in the ER recovers soon.

The vaccine causes H1N1 after all.

Apologies for leaving that out.

But I think the vaccine was too busy turning me autistic to give me the flu, thank God.

[Name of idiot] said that his doctor heard from a colleague that the vaccine is really a secret population control measure designed to wipe out enough people to scare people into supporting socialized medicine. It's a huge conspiracy that's been in the works since Obama's mother faked the birth certificate so that secret government ninjas could wire the WTC towers with explosives without anyone noticing.

Who knew?!

We are waiting for my coworkers final test results to come back, confirming it is H1N1.

holy crap! What was the boss thinking?

It's worse. He's an MD.

I don't know what he was thinking. The coworker that got really sick had an important meeting for his degree the following day and needed to practice his presentation. My boss really should have canceled it, or at least let us hold it without him. He clearly feels very badly now (and his entire lab was shut down for days), so hopefully he learned a lesson.

He sounds a bit careless, and I've heard from nurses just how careless some of these doctors can be.

It would be sad, if it wasn't so damned dangerous!

It's a medical fact that vaccines can actually spread disease to the unvaccinated.

"When a live virus is used in the vaccine, infective virus is shed for anywhere from 4 to 21 days (or more) and, during that time, inoculated persons can give the disease, or the side effects of the inoculation, to any vulnerable person they come into contact with."

http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=549

"Live, attenuated intranasal vaccine (or LAIV) is. sprayed into the nose. "

www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/vis/downloads/vis-laiv-h1n1.p...

its the difference of eating one cookie and eating 1000...

http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccination/nasalspray_qa.ht...

Can the nasal spray flu vaccine give you the flu?
Unlike the flu shot, the nasal spray flu vaccine does contain live viruses. However, the viruses are attenuated (weakened) and cannot cause flu illness. The weakened viruses are cold-adapted, which means they are designed to only cause infection at the cooler temperatures found within the nose. The viruses cannot infect the lungs or other areas where warmer temperatures exist. Some children and young adults 2 years to 17 years of age have reported experiencing mild reactions after receiving seasonal nasal spray flu vaccine, including runny nose, nasal congestion or cough, chills, tiredness/weakness, sore throat and headache. Some adults 18 years to 49 years of age have reported runny nose or nasal congestion, cough, chills, tiredness/weakness, sore throat and headache. These side effects are mild and short-lasting, especially when compared to symptoms of influenza infection.


hope this helps you understand why the nasal vaccine is different from the H1N1 strain that is full blown

Perhaps you didn't read that part.

The risk of spreading the disease to others after getting the nasal vaccine is between 0.6-2.4%. This means for every 5000 people vaccinated, 30 (.6%)-120 (2.4%) people will get the disease. If the OP has 100 people in his or her office, one or two people will get the disease from someone else who is vaccinated and then can spread it to others.

not the full blown H1N1 virus, they are saying that the people getting the nasal one can spread that one, not full blown H1N1 as that is not in the nasal version.

The office might get a slightly milder form, or it might mutate as it spreads, but the vaccine can cause infection to others. You can't get away from that.

but its a hell of a lot better to get the weakened version of the H1N1 than the full blown one, and the injected version has no danger of infecting anyone else... at least you can admit that cant you..

Sorry that you can't accept numbers. It's just the way it is. That's no excuse not to get vaccinated, it's just reality.

but what you will catch is the attenuated version not the full blown H1N1 virus, much like the small pox vaccination exposed you to a milder version of the pox not the full version of small pox..

That disease may vary, but the spread will happen. It's just a fact.

Sorry that you don't understand math.

think how sick eating one cookie makes you compared to eating 1000,

As I told Nadin, lets say you have an office of 100 people. According to the CDC, 1 or 2 of those people will get the milder form of swine flu from someone who got the nasal vaccine. That's just a medical and mathematical fact. These 1 or 2 people can then spread it to the rest of the office. Now, the infected office workers may not end up in the hospital with pneumonia (which is a good thing) but they will still have some sick days and spread it to their family members who are not vaccinated. Here again, a medical fact. You act as if an attenuated version carries absolutely no risk: that is not true, but the risk is small enough that it is acceptable, and if most people can get a vaccine, the risk can go down.

You are so married to your crusade that you can't actually have a rational discussion. And you don't do numbers, that's clear.

the danger from the vaccines is negligible and even contracting the minor version is much better than full blown H1N1, i am not saying it has no risk but the risk is infinetly better than if we didnt do vaccinations at all.

And I'm trying to give you numbers.

That's all that this is.

My posts have all made sense. You simply are so blinded by emotion that you can't see the numbers.

The nasal form of the vaccine is cold-adapted, ie., it can't survive in the lungs. So, if people getting this type of vaccination spread it to others, it's more like they are vaccinating others instead of giving them the full-blown version of the flu.

because when I was in school, the influenza virus is a fairly slow mutating virus, which is why you can successfully vaccinate against the common strains of the virus each year.

An attenuated virus, although it can 'mutate' or undergo antigenic drift, cannot change its character. That is, it can still only cause 'disease' under its attenuated ability, in this case, only at colder temperatures. It may 'look' different to the immune system, but its still the same virus. Its just the overcoat that changes.

There is so much ridiculous disinformation coming from people who clearly have no grasp on the basics of immunology its not even funny.

Why is everyone so emotional about this?

Exacrtly how does that define a Slow mutating virus? What difference is it if it take 1 miut or one million minutes? If it happens in you, if it otherwise would be impossible because you didn't have the virus injected deep in your tissue, then I think the definition of "Slow" would be meaningless to you.

Does a "Slow"d eath make certain death easier?

You also make an unfounded statement that "You can successfully vaccinate against the common strains of the virus each year"

Yet, I can assure you that million of us do not get the flu vaccine, no have we ever sought to be vaccinated each year, yet, do not catch the virus even though colleagues get it. Perhaps it's as simple as washing our hands and using common sanitary techniques that are no longer known by the majority of the unwashed restroom crowd. If you don't believe me, just watch how many people wash their hands before leaving the restroom. It's enough to cause one to wish the Swine Flu on the lot of the idiots.

At this point, I don't trust our for profit medical system that depends on illness to make yet more porfits. I think they are making enough, and I just won't support them anymore until I see so real breakthroughs in science. The only real breakthroughs these days are the rlevations on nutrition and disease that have been ignored by modern medicine. It's no wonder why the pharmaceutical industry is buying up all the seed companies and is in a rush to patent every plant that can benefit human health.

instead of 3.25 days of misery.

Do you even realize what you are saying?

You seem pretty enthusiastic about taking the vaccine, but this weekened, I ran into about 45 differnt people who affirmed that would never submit to a Flu Shot, have not been i'll in many years, and all are currently healthy.

Now if medical science would just answer the question as why people like me and my Organic Farmer, Hippie friends don't catch the influenza virus, while the stressed out worker drones in the rat race with a crushing mortgage and three iPod's do, then maybe I would not be so sceptical about the vaccines efficacy, or it's safety.

The anti vaccer's has good reasons to shun them, simply because they are about as well researched as the long term effects of eating GMO foods. The Corporations make craploads of money on them, the Government get to play the guardian of the poor, helpless masses, and the public gets a chance to believe in something other than their bodie's own ability to heal.

I actually was vaccinated for Smallpox, so you might want to back out, because I'll be happy to rip your fear mongering statement to shreds.
Trying to spread fear of the return of Smallpox is a no win, because the only way would be if the CDC or the Military released it from the freezer.

Nice try fanboy.

but its a good example of the thinking of the anti vaxxers, wondering what your remedy would be if it did ever return, do you have a secret that works better than the tetanus jab as well.. i just hope that your words dont turn out to be your famous last words.

But your concern is misplaced.

The reason that I will no longer take any vaccine, is because I have taken the time to study biochemistry and nuclear physics. You pro vaccers sure take a lot for granted, but it's not based on reality or facts. You are primarily supplicants singing the Gospel according to modern, Corporate funded science, and not of science that actually explores the consequences of say, lemon fresh scented Chlorine Bleach, or "Fortified" Bleached White Flour on nutrition and the Human organism.

At this point, I am comfortable with my abilities to see a well conceived money making scheme from a mile away, and I trust my judgement more that anyone who defends any vaccine with fear tactics and dogma that tries to ignore the Billion dollar industry that benefits from it.

As we know, Americans are the sickest society in the world. We have more morbidly obese, chronically ill people in the world. In less that fifty years, Americans have gown so fat that they had to deepn the flume at Disneyland it's a small world, because the people were no longer small. They were so heavy, they bottomed out the boats.

Now that I have learned about the lies sold as food in our Supermarkets, my health has never been better, and I'm happy with the fact that I have not been ill for years, despite the fact that I work outside, in a tropical climate, that is rife with tropical diseases.

People would rather continue to drink 24 packs of Pepsi and a box of Ding Dongs than spend a few cents more for Fresh, Locally grown Organic foods followed by lots of fresh water.

Of course, being totally liquid, out of debt, and free to take care of myself rather than a mortgage helps a lot.

Again, unless I'm allowed to do my own research on this rushed Vaccine, I would not take it even if it was mandated.

or whatever other crazy stuff you believe, but if you think these diseases only effect people who live the live you seem to eschew then your research is not only sadly lacking but totally fucking nuts....

Perhaps you may not have noticed it, but the U.S. is in the middle of the Great Depression 2.0, and a lot of people are stressed out to the gills.

While it is sad to watch everybody dealing with watching everything they've worked for disappear along with their jobs, I'm happy to not be a part of it and be able to take care of myself without being subjected to the collapse of the House that Greenspan built.

Stress is just as much at fault as poor diet, lack of sleep, lack of water, and the willingness to take the word of others instead of researching it for themselves.

Yep, I'm crazy! and Sadly Lacking! Therefore, I must Eschew!

Nice try goofball, but your counterargument just died on the operating table.

If that didn't explain it, then you didn't read it.

But that's understandable. If you can't take the heat, then get out of the oven.

who live natural lives but still fall prey to the diseases that a simple vaccine would prevent..

now if you said fast food, and corn syrup... yep.

But you do read like the Archbishop, serious. I just need to change some of the sentences for Our Lord Jesus Christ.

By the way... you are benefiting frmo herd mentality... and yes perhaps we should go back to 1775... it woudl be so much better.. I mean it would be NATURAL... just don't drink the water... and choose the kid 's beer ok.

should hope smallpox never returns.

and the best way to show that relevance is to show how vaccines helped eradicate one disease from the planet and to show how the herd immunity and vaccinations can protect the community... i guess you have a better method for protecting people from pandemics...

it's not the case, no matter how much the "pro-vax" crowd here mislabel them as such.

what reasons do you have, that have a scientific basis...

Last week, the total number of worldwide fatalities to the Swine flu was 4,700 or so. There are 6 billion people in the world.

there were 147,000 cases of Tuberculosis last year, with 850 deaths in the United States alone.

130,000 people died last year from taking their prescription medicines as directed.

There are issue that have revealed that Thiomerosol is a known neurotoxin, and has been know as such since the mid thirties, but the studies were ignored.

Mercury is an extremely toxic metal, while Silver has definate antibacterial properties. Why use Mercury instead of Silver as a preservative?

There are new studies regarding the toxicity of Aluminum, which is now used as an Adjuvant, originally, it was a contaminant from the reaction vessels.

There are direct link from the increased Vaccine schedule for infants in 1990 onward with developmental disabilities. The scientists that discovered this evidence were sacked.

With the release of this information, we have seen a larg number of Pro Vaccine Town Hollerers that would like this conversation to cease and desist, beecasuse it may harm the multi billion dollar vaccine industry.

There are serious questions of accountability and liability regarding the millions of children that have been disabled by the increased vaccine schedules adminstered at birth.

The Liability not only affects the Pharmaceutical Corporations, but the CDC, NIH, and the Governments all over the world.

So you seem the motivations for smearing the truth to oblivion is in abundant supply, but the truth is the truth, and no amount of paid blogging is going to hide the facts that have been revealed so far to be swept under the carpet.

You seem to be totally oblivious of these developments Vadawg, which is strange for someone as quick on the trigger of the Flamethrower as you are.

Perhaps, you are just a dumb kid that hasn't cracked a book or done any research in a while.. Or maybe you are not so dumb, and protecting a vested interest.

you seem to lay out every reason for my behaviour but miss the glaringly obvious one that you are batshit crazy and happy as a loon...

It's "Glaringly" obvious that you can divine everything you need to know from the electrons streaming through the Cloud, but as far as I'm concerned, you sound more interested in Ad Hominem attacks, and insults rather than actually doing any heavy lifting to further your point.

I actually thought that perhaps maybe someone could come along and actually provide unequivocable information that would actually dissuade me from the past 6 months of research I've done on this subject, along with the several dozen books on biochemistry, virology, and nutrition.

I guess all of those books, along with growing up in the family of doctors and nurse made me "Crazy" enough to "Eschew" the sage advice of Vadawg, and anonymous poster that has nothing but wine and roses for the vaccine Corporations. All positive, no negative, coupled with Ad Hominem attacks like I was some sort of nobody..

You've made me very Happy Vadawg, because when I see people like you crawl back into you shell, I know that the facts have won over your very expensive and comittee tested propaganda.

As I said before, Nice Try, but you are going to have to do a lot better.

i can do a big told you so....

I see that I made the right choice.

You will eventually learn, as I have, that there are many on this board who are more interested in posting snipes on DU than curing cancer or making quarterly sales targets.

Cheers.

though if i am then you wont see this query, one of the reasons why i promised to never ignore anyone as i think i would just get confused to hell

any actual fact-based discussion with personal attack, name-calling, & misrepresentation of posters' positions.

i'm not interested in attempting actual discussion under such conditions. i merely snipe at the stupid shits these days.

some posters continue to try to discuss actual facts, & some are in this thread. rather than diverting discussion into irrelevancies like smallpox & representing those who disagree with you as anti-science nuts, you might try asking real, non-hostile questions if you really want to discuss something.

you'd be surprised what a difference it makes.

by trying to make it seem irrelevent is the real crime, but go ahead lets see some real scientific data about the vaccines and we can discuss it, but to think that the history of vaccines both good and bad can be ignored is the very definition of anti science...

that makes discussion impossible & tiresome.

i seem to remember you posited that samllpox was irrelevent, i simply stated that i disagreed with you and gave my reasons, i dont see the misrepresentation in that...

"the real life saving of vaccines as shown by smallpox"

i didn't dismiss any such thing.

i said something quite different: smallpox is irrelevant *to this discussion,* your snarky wish that the poster better hope smallpox never comes back is irrelevant to this discussion, & your comments assume, without basis, that the people you're talking to are anti-science.

again, and as you keep saying smallpox is irrelevent to the discussion, and i say well if you are going to list bad things that have happened due to vaccines then its only fair to list the successes as well of which smallpox is one of the greatest. Now to the anti science claim, yes i say you are anti science if you subscribe to the whackjobness that seems to frequent the vaccine threads, claims that it leads to autism being the most bandied about, the science all says that the vaccine is safe, the flu is a pandemic yet people seem to think that because they have read a couple of books they know better than the WHO and CDC etc.. now you explain to me how that is not anti science....

It's pretty clear that you are dancing around many nasty facts regarding Vaccines, because they are just not present on your talking point cheat sheet.

You have all the latest marketing lines, straight from Merck andd Big Pharma.. That's why you stick out like a sore thumb.

You cannot answer anyone that rightfully states that they have never had the flu, let alone a flu vaccine, and their statement that they don't require one. Your whole push is to somehow make it wrong to refuse, or somehow intimate that they are somehow selfish for wanting to keep foreign material out of their body.

It's not my fault for remaining healthy and disease free. I say it's your fault for being weak and unhealthy. I'll be happy to let you in on my simple and easy method for remaining healthy, but it appears that you would rather be sick and unhealthy and remain stuck in your unhealthy pattern.

Sorry buddy, I'm not going to inject Chicken DNA and foreign proteins into my body just to make you feel safe.

but unless you have been checked for antibodies and can have that certified then i call BS on that. Yes it is selfish for you to think that your BS precautions for the swine flu is the best way to go, you cant be made to get vaccinated but what about the people who cant get a vaccine, do you ever think about them, you could be the carrier that infects someone who is so compromised that they cant take the vaccine. Ive already been vaccinated as have my wife and children so its not me your going to make safe its your neighbour or the guy down the street but i guess your piece of mind is more important than the health and safety of strangers...

They are the ones in the supermarket with gallons of non-fat milk, non fat, sugar free yogurt, packages of splenda and lean cuisine frozen entree's, yet are morbidly obese, look like hell, and have an attitude that sucks the life out of the air around them.

Your childish Carrier argument has no merit, as I know many doctors that refuse to take the vaccine, yet they are exposed daily. Your Typhoid Mary argument is pretty dated, and doesn't reflect any sort of reality other than presenting a fear tactic to further your goals.

If you really want to get into the Typhoid Mary scenarion, perhaps youd like to tell me how many cases of Hepatitis people catch every year from Carriers. Or maybe you'd like to expand your Typhoid Mary scenario to TB or perhaps even HIV..

Your silly Herd Immunity ignores the fact that I am not ill and shedding virus if it is in check, simply because I am not sneezing, or coughing, or leaking virus laden mucous all over the place.

If I am not symptomatic, then I do not need the vaccine, it's that simple. Your argument is similiar to banning Oysters, because some of them may carry bad proteins and could make you sick.

Or maybe I should not eat Strawberries, because they cause allergies in some people.

Uh Huh..

It's also quite funny that you automatically assume that I am not classified as one of those that is not in a high risk group..

it shows a complete misunderstanding of vaccines and how they work, so once again tell me if your magical rabbits foot will protect you from all illness or is it just H1N1 that you are safe from...

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If I am not symptomatic, then I do not need the vaccine, it's that simple


i think you need to reread what you wrote before you start to cast attacks on others....

Vaccines work by stimulating your body to produce antibodies, so next time you run across the antigen, your body can fight it off quickly rather than getting sick.

That is a direct quote from the post I am replying to. "If I am not symptomatic, then I do not need the vaccine". And this is supposed to make people think you have a clue about this?

and do you drink water from tap or filtered? I am trying to develop a whole food approach, and always wondered whole milk vs skim milk, which is better? And where do you get your meat, if you eat meat?

Actually, it to better frighten the simple minded reader my dear -- Buwah Hah Hah Hah Hah!

Why not compare a mild case of influenza with a disfiguring curse from God Almighty! That'll larn em for questioning the efficacy of the Modern Day Snake Oil industry.

what do you want to see pics of people on ventilators from the H1N1.

I see people on Ventilators from Smoking too, what's your point? I see people on ventilators due to pneumonia caused by anasthesia too. What's your point?

Some people get sick, some people don't get sick, what's your point?

People like me get no attention from doctors, while the sick get all the attention. I'd like to keep it that way, and that's why I won't contaminate my system with foreign material that the makers really can't explain in rational terms, nor can they guarantee that there will be no side effects.

If the vaccine is so wonderful, then why do they get Government immunity from liability?

Why did so many people die or become disabled from the Swine Flu vaccine in the Ford Administration?

Why did they halt the Vaccine after the deaths?

So many unpleasant questions, I know, but I look forward toward your illuminating answers to them.

As Vadawg scurries off to his hidey hole, eviscerated by a few simple questions that he is forbidden from answering.

So long Vadawg! Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

you go on about your knowledge base yet you dont even know why the swine flu vaccine back in the day is like night to day to the new one, i am enjoying your explanations of why you wont get sick and im waiting for the punchline...

I did make the right choice.

spectacularly misinformed, but funny nonetheless.

Sid

I am sure life will be much better...

Should we release the Smallpox from the two labs to get the full effect as well?

And no, I do not mean this with any sense of sarcasm.

Try readying into oh... Herd dynamics and herd immunity...

There are days that I wonder... am I readying a blog in 2009 or am I readying the complaints of the Archbishop of Guadalajara in 1812 against the Jenner Vaccine? No, sadly not that different.

Su Excelencia el Arzobispo had a reason to fear this. Hell, the Church had ahem issues with the whole Enlightenment and science stuff... but you'd think in 2009 people would be a tad better educated...

Nope...

I'm amused that you have to resort to Smallpox instead of staying on topic with the Swine Flu.

Do you think that the grotesque, disfiguring blisters of Smallpox (Eradicated) give you more power to convince an uneducated, unthinking, herd into submitting to another type of vaccination, one that hangs on the coattails of the Smallpox vaccine, despite the fact the smallpox is a skin scratch versus a virus grown in the embroyo of a fertilized Chicken egg, then injected deep within your muscle?

Maybe you do, but the reality is that Influenza vaccines are a crap shoot, just like tranfuing type A blood into a person that has type O blood. It isn't going to have a happy ending.

Yet, all it takes is one molecular difference to gum up the works. You are nothing more than another mechanist that would like to treat all human beings as interchangeable, but you are wrong.

This is the last freedom I possess, and you'd see the same way if you had any sense.

and no, you are wrong... PEOPLE DIED from preventable diseases that they don't today because of vaccines. And Smallpox was a LARGE percentage of that.

You know why people celebrated the first and fifth birthdays, and still do? Collective memories. Most kdis died before age five, and not from starvation either.

Oh and HERD DYNAMICS are real dear. You are GETTING THAT PROTECTION because MOST OF THE HERD does not take your dimn view of science. You are not unlike Su Excelencia.

woo-woo, woo-woo...

http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccination/nasalspray_qa.ht...


"Can people receiving the nasal-spray flu vaccine LAIV pass the vaccine viruses to others?

In clinical studies, transmission of vaccine viruses to close contacts occurred only rarely. The current estimated risk of getting infected with vaccine virus after close contact with a person vaccinated with the nasal-spray flu vaccine is low (0.6%-2.4%). Because the viruses are weakened, infection is unlikely to result in influenza illness symptoms since the vaccine viruses have not been shown change into typical or naturally occurring influenza viruses."

Rare means a percent or two. If 30 million people get the vaccine, 300,000 people (1%)- 600,000 (2%) will get the disease from others. These folks can then spread it to others.

the virus that is administered nasally is a weakened version that dosent survive in the warmer parts of the body, you need to read your own links to the CDC...

Their powerful immune systems deflect or repel any information that would otherwise undermine their "arguments." Expecting antivaxxers to actually read CDC articles instead of quotemining them is excessive.

And if you get the H1N1 flu, I hope you'll take some time in your sick bed to think about how you prejudge people with no facts. It could be an epiphany for you!

And if you don't know what that refers to, you haven't been reading my posts.